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The best way to use AI to help your profession improvement

Interview Transcription

Helen Tupper: Hello, I am Helen.

Sarah Ellis: And I am Sarah.

Helen Tupper: And that is the Squiggly Careers podcast, a weekly podcast the place we speak concerning the ins, outs, ups and downs of labor and share some concepts for motion, some instruments so that you can check out, to offer you somewhat bit extra confidence and management over your profession improvement.  And this week, we’re diving into the world of synthetic intelligence.

Sarah Ellis: I am unable to consider that we’re, to be sincere!

Helen Tupper: I am unable to consider I’ve bought you to do it!

Sarah Ellis: Possibly AI could possibly be recording this!

Helen Tupper: I do not know.  Possibly it isn’t you, possibly it isn’t me.  No, I really feel prefer it may be slicker if it was AI than us!

Sarah Ellis: A lot slicker!

Helen Tupper: A lot slicker than what may be coming!  Yeah, I am fairly shocked that I’ve persuaded you to do that, and then you definitely’ve gone off and found a great deal of different stuff.  I am very impressed along with your dedication to the podcast this week.

Sarah Ellis: Nicely, you realize, open mindset and all that!

Helen Tupper: So, we’ll let you know somewhat bit extra about what we’ve performed and learnt and the way it will make it easier to along with your improvement in a minute, however Sarah, I do know that you’ve some excellent news for our listeners.

Sarah Ellis: I do certainly.  So, Squiggly Profession e book.  We have now turned The Squiggly Profession right into a video e book.  I say we; we did not do any of the manufacturing, which is why it seems to be unbelievable and has fascinating animations, it has us on display screen doing drawings, it has a great deal of Squiggly Profession tales.  And in the event you’ve not come throughout a video e book earlier than, it actually does what it says on the tin.  It is about 50 minutes lengthy, it is all damaged down into movies for every of the chapters.  You get to obtain all the workout routines and the workbook.

We expect it is a actually fascinating and inclusive method of studying, as a result of it is actually visible.  You may break it down, it feels actually bitesize.  You may really obtain it and likewise watch it offline, which I believe is sort of useful for folks’s commute and issues like that.  And really handily, for 4 weeks, all people who listens to the podcast can get a free copy of The Squiggly Profession video e book.  So, if you wish to strive it out mainly and simply see whether or not it is useful for you, you will get The Squiggly Profession, after which clearly if you wish to have a look at different ones, you are able to do that.

So, get your free video e book of The Squiggly Profession.  That you must go to  After all, we are going to put that URL within the present notes and we’ll share it after we share this podcast episode.  After which mainly, you click on to purchase, you go to your cart to do your checkout and also you create an account.  After which your code, all capitals, is SQUIGGLYCAREERSPODCAST.  So, I do know that is at all times a bit difficult to take heed to and jot that down, so possibly that is the one time the place you assume, “I’ll have a look at the present notes for the primary time ever”, as a result of I do know that is not one thing that I do in a podcast fairly often.  Or, you’ll be able to at all times electronic mail us,, in the event you get a bit misplaced and you may’t discover it.

You should utilize the video e book on both web site or cell with the identical login, so hopefully it would really feel useful.  I hope that looks like a helpful factor for our listeners, and we might love some suggestions.  So, in the event you do get your free copy, in the event you’ve had an opportunity to look at it, we would like to know your reflections, what works effectively about it, any “even higher ifs”, whether or not you assume it is one thing you’ll use once more sooner or later.  So hopefully, a superb little further Squiggly bonus to start out this week’s episode.

Helen Tupper: What a Squiggly bonus; free studying in trade for suggestions!  So, let’s speak about synthetic intelligence.  So, it’s a subject getting a great deal of consideration and to be sincere, I’ve heard folks speaking about it and I’ve nearly been pondering, “Are you aware what, I must look into that somewhat bit extra”.  It has been on my studying record for some time like, “Oh my gosh, is ChapGPT going to exchange profession teaching?  What does this imply for the way forward for our enterprise?  I ought to most likely look into this”, but it surely kind of felt, I do not know, very noisy on numerous social media web sites, and I wasn’t actually certain the place to start out with it.  However I assumed it is value experimenting with.

So, the rationale we’re protecting it is because we do assume there’s some potential worth in a number of the instruments which are pushed by synthetic intelligence that would make it easier to along with your improvement, however we needed to road-test it for you first.  So, we needed to take numerous totally different, I name it use instances, and Sarah’s like, “That sounds method too technical”; numerous various things that you simply may do in your day-to-day mainly, the conventional stuff that you’d do, after which take all these instruments that everybody’s speaking about and work out, are they really helpful; is it loads of noise, or is it useful?

Whether it is useful, then possibly we should always carry these into our work, into the best way our groups work and simply get a bit extra comfy with them.  And if it is not useful, possibly we should always simply do what we do rather well as people and cease getting distracted by all of the headlines.  So, we’re your guineapigs, we’ve road-tested these items for you, and we’ll be as sensible as potential about what we take into consideration them.

Sarah Ellis: I actually bear in mind a couple of years in the past listening to the Chief Artistic Officer of Fb, and so they have been referred to as Fb at the moment, speaking concerning the significance of play, and the way while you play with tech, you actually get a really feel for what it does and the way it works.  So, as a lot as I believe you’ll be able to examine AI, and I’ve performed a little bit of studying and I’ve learn a couple of articles and seen folks share totally different factors of view and views on the ethics of AI, or the way it can work alongside us, quite than in opposition to us, or the way it could make our lives simpler, I do assume it is solely when you could have a go that you simply simply get an actual concept for the stage that that know-how is at, the way it may assist, whether or not it would not give you the results you want.

So, I believe that’s nearly the primary message that I would encourage all people to have a take into consideration while you’re listening, nearly in a really no-pressure kind of method, can you could have a play, a bit like Helen and I’ve performed; and actually, the extra I’ve performed with every little thing, the extra enjoyable I’ve had, as a result of I’ve not felt like, “I have to be doing this, as a result of I really feel like it may exchange me tomorrow”; I’ve felt extra, “How can it assist me?” beginning off with an optimistic mindset of pondering, “Hopefully there’s some great things to be learnt alongside the best way”.  That has undoubtedly been true, definitely for someone who’s not as into tech as Helen is.  However I believe, if I’ve loved it, I reckon all people else can too.

Helen Tupper: So, what we’ll do is we’ll undergo the conditions after we assume you should use these items and we’ll speak concerning the instruments that we tried out, after which we are going to summarise all of it for you.  So, within the PodSheet, which you will get from our web site,, you will discover all the hyperlinks there.  After which, in the event you comply with us on social media, @amazingif on Instagram, or @amazingif, our LinkedIn web page, we’ll do a PodNote there in order that you can obtain it and you can check out these instruments and discover them actually simply.  However yeah, it is extra about having a play, having a go, experimenting and simply having fun with it and seeing what occurs.  I believe that is what Sarah and I’ve performed.

Additionally, Sarah and I have never actually talked about this, so I do not know what she thinks of the instruments that she’s tried out, so I’m listening and studying concurrently you.  So, Sarah, the very first thing that you simply did was used AI that will help you write a CV.

Sarah Ellis: Yeah, so I used one thing referred to as Kickresume, and we have performed a “what labored effectively; even higher if”, clearly, for every of the AI instruments.  Who knew the AI may most likely do the “what labored effectively; even higher if” for you of their very own instrument, which will get a bit meta if you concentrate on it like that!  However what I actually appreciated about Kickresume, and customarily once I’ve checked out CVs, there are actually so many examples to borrow brilliance from.  I really assume there is not any excuse to not have a good CV now, as a result of there are skilled guides that you could learn on Kickresume, so it does provide you with content material.  I believe that content material is written by people; I believe it’s as a result of they describe the consultants.  I do not assume they’re made-up consultants.  I used to be like, “What’s actual and what’s not?”  However I believe the skilled guides are written, there’s a great deal of examples, there’s a great deal of templates.

Then what you are able to do, which I did strive, is you’ll be able to flip your LinkedIn into your CV, and so they present you step-by-step do it.  I adopted these steps and I may do it.  Who knew you’ll be able to obtain all your information from LinkedIn, however you’ll be able to!  So, I kind of have this file on my laptop now with all of my LinkedIn.  You actually pop it into Kickresume, you select the template that you really want, so clearly I cherished doing that, I cherished selecting, I used to be like, “Which one do I would like?”  I used to be trying on the design, clearly I fairly like trying on the design stuff.  After which it kind of places every little thing in there for you.

Now, is it 100% proper; is it a CV I’d ever ship to anybody?  After all not, as a result of it mainly can solely take and scrape the information that is there.  So, would I need to personalise it?  Sure.  Are there some stuff you’d change?  After all.  Nevertheless it does do, I reckon, 60% to 70% of the exhausting give you the results you want, in case your LinkedIn is updated, as a result of clearly it is put in all of the dates, it is put in all of the roles, it offers you so many solutions of, “You can do it a bit like this [or] this is write a very good cowl letter, this is write a very good abstract”.

The vast majority of what I discovered on Kickresume and on different locations is free.  More often than not, there are some free issues that you could entry.  After which often, in some unspecified time in the future, you hit a paywall, as a result of I assume in some unspecified time in the future they should make some cash.  So, paywalls may be, in the event you needed ten totally different templates, or in the event you needed numerous examples of canopy letters.  The one factor I’d say I discovered once I was notably taking a look at CVs and canopy letters, as a result of I suppose they’re an apparent software for AI, is it nearly turns into overwhelming.  I used to be like, “Wow, there are 100 totally different choices for what my CV ought to appear to be”, some which you’ll be able to rapidly low cost, however I used to be like, “How do I do know if that one’s higher than one other one?

They do go fairly far.  On the CV templates, they put logos and so they’ll say, “A CV on this format, this particular person was employed by Adidas”, and so they identify the manufacturers and mainly they’re saying, “This has labored”.  It is kind of a stamp of approval, which I used to be like, “Oh, that is fairly fascinating”.  So, I believe my conclusion on the CV and canopy letter stuff was, it is an amazing place to start out in the event you’re feeling a bit caught.  I believe it could problem you to possibly think about doing a CV in a barely totally different method, or possibly together with some issues like expertise or capabilities in several methods.  I undoubtedly noticed stuff that I assumed, “I would borrow that concept”.  Do you continue to must do a number of the heavy lifting to actually be certain it displays you and it tonally feels best for you?  Sure, however I nonetheless felt like there was numerous helpful stuff available.

Helen Tupper: And you realize you stated you linked it to your LinkedIn after which it bought you kind of 60%, 70% there with a CV that you’d then must personalise; how lengthy did that course of take, from logging on, connecting with LinkedIn?

Sarah Ellis: So, there was a three-step course of, which I did the primary two steps, after which you must wait 24 hours to get the obtain from LinkedIn, so that you could not do all of it on the identical day.  So, I did it yesterday, I bought the information at this time from LinkedIn, they each got here by way of; that was very easy.  You actually drag and drop them into Kickresume.  The CV seems then straightaway within the template.  In case you needed it that day, you would not be capable to do it, however inside two days you’ll be able to.

Helen Tupper: Attention-grabbing.  Okay, so think about you’ve got bought this wonderful CV that you’ve got from Kickresume, and then you definitely’ve improved it your self along with your very human expertise, then you definitely get an interview.  So, the subsequent little bit of AI we want is to assist us put together for an interview, and I used  So, I went onto the web site, I did it earlier than the paywall, so there’s a paywall factor the place you get a great deal of totally different interviews that you could take.  I simply went with one which was obtainable for everyone.

So, Sarah, I interviewed for a gross sales govt at Verizon, and I sat there at my kitchen desk, and this AI man interviewed me for the job.  And actually, it was so actual that my little boy, Henry, got here as much as me and was like, “Mummy, is that this dwell?” and I used to be like, “No, however get out, I am being interviewed by AI.  Get out of the display screen!”

Sarah Ellis: “Do not interrupt me, I need to cross this interview, I need to win”!

Helen Tupper: Nicely, are you aware, it bought somewhat bit like that.  So, this man, this AI, was asking me a sequence of questions that might give me observe when it comes to answering for this job as a gross sales govt, and I really felt somewhat bit underneath strain.

Sarah Ellis: That is most likely a superb factor although, proper?

Helen Tupper: Yeah, and so they have been really fairly good questions.  However he’d say like, “Discuss a time while you’ve negotiated for one thing that you simply needed at work”, and then you definitely reply it.  And while you’re answering it, he is nodding and shifting his head in fairly a practical method!

Sarah Ellis: So bizarre!

Helen Tupper: It is so bizarre!  And then you definitely do your reply and then you definitely press “subsequent query” after which he comes at you with the subsequent query.  It does really feel somewhat bit like he is coming at you with the subsequent query, as a result of in the event you have been interviewing me, there could be a little bit of rapport.

Sarah Ellis: Okay, yeah.

Helen Tupper: So, I would ask you a query, you may ask a follow-up query on what I’ve stated, so there is a pure circulate that possibly creates connection in an interview; whereas, this was like an interrogation for a gross sales job, somewhat bit!  However equally, he requested me about six or seven questions, they have been good questions, they made me take into consideration my solutions, and then you definitely bought suggestions on the readability of your solutions, on key phrases, in your tempo, all these kinds of issues.

So really, I believe it’s fairly good preparation so that you can really feel somewhat bit extra assured.  It is kind of like a role-play that nobody else sees, and I’d have give you extra concepts on account of doing that, than if I would just turned up on the interview with an actual particular person.

Sarah Ellis: Gone, straight for interview.

Helen Tupper: Yeah.  So, I believe it was good.  Like I say, I simply did one of many ones that have been obtainable, and I believe in the event you pay, you get entry to extra particular jobs, extra particular prep.  However I believe it is value it.  I’d suggest Interview College in the event you’ve bought an interview developing, to practise your expertise, really feel assured in your solutions.

Sarah Ellis: Something that you simply did not like, or that did not fairly give you the results you want?

Helen Tupper: It is alleged to generate a report for me and that took fairly a very long time.  It stated it was going to take it in quarter-hour and it took a very long time, and so I assumed, you realize a few of it isn’t fairly there but.  The thought and alternative is fairly spectacular, however a number of the tech’s not fairly there but, nonetheless somewhat bit glitchy.  So, that was most likely an “even higher if” on that platform, however I believe it is very, very almost there.

No, I believe simply I would not need to assume — are you aware what, it made me assume two issues really.  It made me assume, “Gosh, really interviews are nicer”.  So, I would not need somebody to assume that was what an interview was going to be like, that you must be interrogated, as a result of I believe it is necessary that you simply ask questions again, and it’s important that there is rapport, and also you get none of that.  After which the opposite factor that it made me assume was, what if firms begin doing this as the primary spherical?

Sarah Ellis: That is what I used to be simply pondering.

Helen Tupper: Yeah.

Sarah Ellis: Once they’ve bought to do filtering, absolutely firms are going to start out utilizing it.

Helen Tupper: And also you and me, I believe we might give you concepts and it could be the bouncing between folks that might most likely assist us to be our greatest.  So it made me assume, “If firms are going to make use of this as first-round screening, I really feel like that would display screen out those who may be actually good, as a result of that is simply not a very comfy method of speaking for some folks”.  So, that is my solely little, “I am not 100% certain about it”.

Sarah Ellis: Crimson flag?

Helen Tupper: Yeah, somewhat bit.

Sarah Ellis: Yeah.  And I believe again to you level about usability, I discovered an actual distinction with every little thing I examined.  I bought very aggravated if it is too exhausting to check.  So, I believe with all of them, you realize when it is simple to entry and straightforward to have a go at, in the event that they’ve mainly eliminated limitations to entry, they’re all those that I bought most concerned in, began taking part in with hundreds extra.  Once they have been making you enroll, and I am certain it is as a result of all of them need your information, however there have been a great deal of hoops to undergo, I simply misplaced curiosity, or I used to be like, “You are making this too exhausting for me to even take a look at out”.

I believe with loads of them, as a result of they’re at fairly early phases, those which are actually good are simply making it very easy to check and simply have some enjoyable with.

Helen Tupper: Okay, so we have written our CV, we have performed our interview, we have the job, we’re now within the day-to-day of our work and we’re most likely in back-to-back conferences, we’re doing displays, we’re doing Groups calls, we’re doing Zoom calls, so how can AI assist us now?  Nicely, it will probably make it easier to to enhance your communications within the conferences.  There’s one instrument that I paid for, and it’s, as a result of I used to be so intrigued about how may this assist me enhance my presenting expertise, my communications, and it is actually good, it is actually, actually good!  That is one among my favourites.

Sarah Ellis: You bought so passionate about this, I used to be like, “She completely loves no matter that is!”

Helen Tupper: I am unsure you are going to love this.

Sarah Ellis: Inform us extra.

Helen Tupper: Okay.  So that you go on and I believe I paid £15 and I will flip it off quickly, as a result of I simply did it for the advantage of our listeners, and what it does is you join it to your Microsoft Groups and your Zoom account.  That was fairly easy, did not take me lengthy to try this.  After which it sits within the background of your conferences.

Sarah Ellis: Oh my God, no!

Helen Tupper: I do know you are not going to love this; wait!  So, it sits within the background of your conferences, and each one among your conferences, it is recording simply you, not the opposite folks, simply you.  And what it does, it does two issues.  So, actual time, you get suggestions in your pitch, your tempo, your filler phrases, your domination of the dialogue; actual time, you’ll be able to see this all flashing up.  After which afterwards, what it does is it saves all of the insights on a dashboard, and it offers it a rating.  So, you’ll be able to see general what was your communication rating.

Sarah Ellis: I am taking a look at yours now, since you’ve given me a diagram to take a look at.

Helen Tupper: I do know, and then you definitely get a great deal of suggestions in your confidence and readability and all this sort of stuff.  Mine’s somewhat bit deceptive, I believe, as a result of loads of what we do on Zoom is we’re presenting Squiggly classes, so it is barely deceptive, however I may simply delete these Squiggly classes and have a look at it extra as precise conversations in conferences, and that may most likely give me fairer.  However unsurprisingly, Sarah, I rating fairly extremely on the power and my communications, and fairly badly on my tempo, as a result of most of my suggestions is that I ought to decelerate somewhat bit, which isn’t new information to you, actual good friend, not AI good friend!  So, yeah, I’d actually suggest it.  What do you assume?

Sarah Ellis: Yeah, that is fascinating.  I imply, I actually do not agree with in-the-moment suggestions, as a result of that is so counter to — I imply, at this time, I used to be speaking to a bunch concerning the significance of being current and distraction downfalls and the way the standard of our consideration equals the standard of our pondering.  So, in the event you out of the blue are giving real-time pop-up suggestions that’s distracting you from a dialog, particularly if you’re already someone who is sort of simply distracted, and I usually ask folks, “How usually are you interrupted in a day?” basically what that is doing is interrupting you.  So, I’m very anti that when it comes to focus.

Helen Tupper: However you’ll be able to flip it off.

Sarah Ellis: Yeah, in the event you can flip it off; nice.

Helen Tupper: Each time, I’ve additionally discovered that distracting, however I am simply taking a look at it now, I believe it is really recording me now, hilariously!

Sarah Ellis: Oh, nice, I am getting recorded and I do not even know; that is precisely why we want ethics!

Helen Tupper: It would not document you, it simply information me.  Nevertheless it says right here, I did a session earlier and it says, “You can have sounded extra assured by deliberately pausing to breathe.  It lets you really feel answerable for your message”.

Sarah Ellis: Breathe Helen, Goddamn it, breathe!

Helen Tupper: Breathe!  Then it has somewhat assertion that I stated, after which you’ll be able to play again, it information simply that little clip.  So, the recommendation it offers you, it simply snips that little bit so you’ll be able to play it again and take heed to it.

Sarah Ellis: I do assume that’s helpful.

Helen Tupper: It’s actually, actually good and I do assume it is helpful as effectively.  I believe I’d suggest this to folks.

Sarah Ellis: I really feel like I might need a go at that one, flip off routinely straightaway the dwell suggestions factor as a result of I do not agree with that.  I do not perceive how that would ever be helpful for the best way that our brains work and what we find out about our brains.  However I do assume typically, I’ve bought some hypotheses about some issues that I believe I do, however it could be actually nice to get suggestions on these issues that I believe are unhelpful.

So, you realize you have been saying, “Possibly I do find out about tempo, however possibly it is actually strengthened that”?  I believe I am not pretty much as good once I’m assembly somebody for the primary time, as a result of I believe I get nervous and I believe I interrupt an excessive amount of and I believe I dominate some conversations greater than I want to.  So possibly simply having information on your improvement, we speak about having information, it offers you some actually particular information on your improvement after which presumably, you might then have a look at it over time and see in the event you’re getting any higher.

Helen Tupper: Yeah, since you get a rating.

Sarah Ellis: That bit, I like.

Helen Tupper: You’d see your scores bettering.  The “filler phrases” is de facto helpful as effectively.  Mine are sometimes “so”, and this does not at all times make comfy studying, however really it’s good on your improvement.

Sarah Ellis: I am going to try this one.

Helen Tupper: Yeah!

Sarah Ellis: I like 50% of it and never the opposite 50%.  So now, with the assistance of AI, you could have your dream job, you are smashing that dream job, and also you’re enthusiastic about, “The place shall I’m going subsequent; how do I discover my profession prospects?”  So, for profession prospects and enthusiastic about the place your profession may take you, I used a instrument referred to as, and this actually encourages you to discover the artwork of the potential.  So, it form of makes you undergo a careers quiz asking you a great deal of questions on your self, but in addition about numerous totally different sorts of jobs, and it’s like, “Would you quite?”

So it is like, “Would you quite be a beautician or an engineer?” after which it offers you a brief paragraph about what these jobs contain.  So, you do get a little bit of a really feel for, “I do not know what it seems to be wish to be an engineer”, however it would describe the kinds of stuff you may do, spending your time doing these roles.  And it undoubtedly broadens your enthusiastic about all of the various kinds of jobs which are on the market.

I’d say, of every little thing I attempted, it was the one which I loved the least, as a result of it was loads of simply clicking by way of.  So it was like, “Would you quite…?” hundreds of thousands of those questions, “Profession advisor?” and I used to be like, “Possibly that one”, “Or sports activities star?”  I used to be like, “Nicely, in the event you’re giving me sports activities star; possibly!”  So, they’re fairly dramatically totally different and so they attempt to encourage you to maintain going, as a result of they clearly want extra information, I suppose, to strive after which be helpful.  After which they categorise them into, “You prefer to creator jobs”, for instance, after which they offer you numerous concepts for, “Okay, if you wish to do creator jobs, listed here are a great deal of examples of what that would appear to be”.

It was reminiscent for me of actually profession recommendation that you simply do at college, however possibly barely extra subtle, and I wasn’t then certain what I’d then do with it.  I believe if I would possibly by no means had a job earlier than, you realize in the event you’re actually ranging from scratch, possibly it could make it easier to.  However I did should fill in loads of stuff about me firstly that was all on LinkedIn, and I would really thought I hadn’t even performed the opposite instrument but and I used to be like, “Absolutely, this might simply — does it not simply know this?”  By this level, I am anticipating all AI to be super-smart and simply know this!

I used to be a bit fearful a few of it felt not as inclusive because it could possibly be, as a result of I did get requested various questions on issues like my {qualifications}, and I used to be like, “Absolutely we need to give folks choices and alternatives that aren’t simply based mostly on their training stage?”  So, I struggled a bit with how I would discover this convenient, the “so what” of this.  I’d nearly like to listen to from someone maybe who possibly in the event you have been at college and you are not even enthusiastic about your profession while you’re 16, 17, 18, until you are very vocationally centered, I suppose; however possibly at that time, I may think about it may be a bit extra helpful, as a result of it does simply present you all the various things, it means you do not restrict your self too quickly; there have been numerous totally different types and roles.

However I wasn’t certain about this one.  It’d simply be that I’ve not seen the potential and also you do have the identical factor of, “Am I utilizing this in the suitable method?”  Nevertheless it did not work for me and I could not consider anybody who I’d then nearly suggest it for.

Helen Tupper: It would not sound as helpful as a extra retro curious profession dialog.  Like, I will have a few curious profession conversations and I will learn the way you bought to the place you have to and what you probably did and what you’ve got learnt, and take into consideration whether or not that could possibly be a superb match for me in my future.  I really feel like I’d get extra worth having a few curious profession conversations in fairly an analogue method, than utilizing this AI Would You Slightly Be resolution.

Sarah Ellis: Yeah, and it actually did inform me issues I already knew.  So it did say, “You’d most likely fairly like jobs the place you get to create”, and I simply assume lots of people would already know that.  After which it was giving me these very wide selection of roles, however possibly not the help with get there, or what then I would do.  And most of the people are coming from, they’re doing one thing at this time and I used to be like, “Now I am being advised I must go and do set design”.  I am like, “Okay, that feels fairly removed from the place I’m proper now”.

However once more, possibly we’re not the viewers.  So, possibly in the event you’re listening and also you’re firstly of your profession, have a go and see when you’ve got a distinct expertise; or, if you realize somebody who’s firstly, maybe share it with them and tell us whether or not they discovered it helpful.

Helen Tupper: One instrument that I used to discover profession prospects as effectively, enthusiastic about what I would need to do sooner or later, is I used Google Bard, which I believe is definitely fairly like ChapGPT.  I believe you must be part of a wait record, however then you definitely instantly get an electronic mail that goes, “And now you are on the record”!

Sarah Ellis: It is only a actually brief wait!

Helen Tupper: I do not know whether or not they’re attempting to play with some psychology of, “Oh, I have been accepted right into a membership!” I do not know, however mainly you go onto Google Bard, you be part of the wait record after which inside about two minutes, you are within the group.  And I requested it, I assumed, “Are you aware what, I will think about I need to work at Microsoft”, like one among my profession prospects is to work at Microsoft, and I assumed I’ll ask it about what it is wish to work in advertising and marketing at Microsoft within the UK, what the corporate tradition’s like, what the professionals and cons are of working for Microsoft.  And I assumed, are you aware what, I’ll evaluate what it says with my precise expertise of working in that organisation.

Sarah Ellis: Attention-grabbing.

Helen Tupper: It was fairly correct!  As a result of, Microsoft’s fairly nuanced in that you’ve what I’d consider as huge Microsoft in Seattle, after which you could have the international locations, that are form of the gross sales engines for the companies.  And the tradition, I’d say, within the international locations is sort of totally different to the centre of the enterprise, and it picked up on these nuances, I do not understand how, but it surely picked up on these nuances concerning the distinction of working in nation roles versus in central firm roles.  The professionals and cons have been very reflective of my expertise.

So, I really thought, in the event you had a wishlist of 5 firms you needed to work in and also you have been attempting to work out what may culturally be a superb match and what may working there appear to be, I believe utilizing a instrument like Google Bard, ChatGPT most likely does the identical factor, undoubtedly time effectively spent.

Sarah Ellis: I bought requested that very query at this time.  So, after a workshop, somebody got here as much as me and stated, “If I used to be attempting to get a really feel for a tradition for a corporation, something that you simply’d suggest?”  Truly I stated, “Nicely, take a look at Glassdoor, as a result of that provides you with a little bit of a really feel.  It may be a bit excessive, but it surely provides you with a little bit of a really feel.  And I stated, “Go and have some curious profession conversations, so search for individuals who have possibly labored there beforehand, as a result of that is at all times actually fascinating as a result of then they have no vested , or who work there now who you assume could be ready to be sincere with you about their experiences”.  However that might have been a very good construct.

This isn’t about simply doing one factor; we’re not going, “Haven’t got conversations any extra”.  However in the event you have been like, “I’ve checked out that Google Bard –” why is it referred to as Bard, by the best way?

Helen Tupper: Nicely, is not bard like a scholar; in the event you’re a bard?

Sarah Ellis: I imply, possibly I’ve learnt one thing new at this time, I do not know.  I do not really feel prefer it’s a really common phrase, is it?

Helen Tupper: Wasn’t Shakespeare a bard?  We should always most likely know this!  We could go on Google Bard and ask what a bard is?!

Sarah Ellis: I simply assume it is fairly a bizarre phrase, it isn’t prefer it’s an on a regular basis phrase, however anyway.

Helen Tupper: Nicely, ChatGPT shouldn’t be actually catchy, is it?

Sarah Ellis: I do know, I discover that actually exhausting to say, so I believe they need to rename it.  I am obsessive about them renaming these items into extra helpful issues which are straightforward to recollect.  However I do assume that’s actually useful, getting a really feel for match, we at all times speak about that.  Be actually lively about exploring, get a really feel for what someplace’s actually like, and if it helps you to try this, I can see that being actually helpful.

Helen Tupper: So, subsequent up, we’re going to consider, in your common day, how can AI make it easier to to avoid wasting time.  What’s fascinating right here is I used a instrument that I believe could possibly be fairly helpful and Sarah has used the identical instrument for a distinct goal.  So, the instrument is Wordtune and, Sarah, what did you employ it for?

Sarah Ellis: Writing and summarising.

Helen Tupper: Okay.  So, is the instrument; let me let you know how I used it to avoid wasting time.  So, I used to be studying, effectively, I would seen a report from the World Financial Discussion board which I needed to learn, I believe it was one thing you shared on our Groups channel, Sarah, about expertise and issues, and I checked out it and I used to be like, “296 pages; that is a beast of a learn that I am not going to have the ability to do!” and I assumed, “I’ve bought to check these instruments for the podcast”.  And, one of many issues that Wordtune does is it summarises PDFs, experiences, web sites.

Sarah Ellis: Yeah, I do know, I attempted that too.

Helen Tupper: And so, I simply added this 296-page World Financial Discussion board report and inside, I do not know, 30 seconds, possibly much less, it had summarised all of it for me and I used to be like, “Wow, that is fairly helpful”.  Now, once I say summarised, it hadn’t performed one paragraph, it did not condense the 296 pages into one paragraph.  What it did is it summarised each web page, so I may scroll down it and I could possibly be like, “Okay, web page 1, that is the important thing takeaway; web page 2, that is the important thing takeaway”, so I nonetheless needed to scroll down.  However what I discovered was fairly helpful was, I used to be capable of go, “That web page 36, that appears like most likely the bit that is most related for me”, and I may go and spend extra time studying the pages that have been related.  It was a superb first filter.

What I do not assume it did was gave me the ultimate reply that I’d need to get to.  So, once I’m studying a report, I am trying and my explicit factor that I am attempting to get out of it’s key stats and statements which are actually sticky.  And I believe for me, I used to be like, “That looks like a Helen human ability”, to have the ability to learn that report and go, “That is a sticky stat.  I can write a LinkedIn put up on that” or, “That is a good suggestion, there is a nugget in that that we will use in a podcast sooner or later”.  And so, that curiosity connecting dots factor, it would not try this.  It mainly collects numerous dots and summarises them for you, but it surely misses the stuff that makes it actually fascinating, as a result of I believe it nearly condenses it in fairly a generic method.  Actually good for saving time; I do assume it was actually helpful, however I do not assume it replaces the necessity to learn and pick the factors that seize curiosity.

Sarah Ellis: So, I completely like it.  I’m very, very onboard with Wordtune, because it seems; I am like, “Oh my God, that is good!”.  I do assume mainly I may let you know a lot about it, I’ve spent a lot time on it!

Helen Tupper: She’s so excited!  I’ve by no means seen you so enthusiastic about know-how.

Sarah Ellis: So, you’ll be able to put in — I believe I am blown away by how intelligent some tech is usually, I am like, “Oh my God, it is simply so intelligent!”  So, you’ll be able to put in a paragraph, for instance, and it will probably rewrite, so it will probably actually rewrite a sentence, and it offers you numerous choices; that is what I actually like about it.  It would not simply go, “This is a rewrite”, it goes, “This is three rewrites, you select the one that you simply like the perfect”.  You may shorten, so you’ll be able to actually click on on a button that claims, “Shorten”, and it simply makes it extra condensed and easy; you’ll be able to develop it; you should use informal or formal tone, I cherished taking part in round with that and clearly I most well-liked the extra informal tone.  And so, I used it on an instance.

So, very particularly, somebody in our crew at Superb If just lately requested me to rewrite one thing for them.  They have been like, “I am struggling a bit to articulate this factor.  Sarah, can you could have a go at rewriting it?” and I used to be like, “Yeah, actually comfortable to try this”.  I try this fairly a bit for folks.  I am broadly okay at writing; not wonderful, however okay.  So then I used to be like, “Would this be higher than me?”  So, I do know what I’ve written, so then I may take a look at myself in opposition to it.  By that time, clearly I used to be getting fairly aggressive, I used to be like, “Do I beat the bot?” mainly, “Are you able to beat the bot?”

It seems most likely not.  For one thing like writing, I checked out it and I used to be like, effectively, if we had used this as a crew, you have to know your individual tone, you have to know your individual model, however I checked out it and I used to be like, “Yeah, there are two or three right here which are fairly good”, and also you then must tweak a tiny bit.  However I used to be pondering, “I believe someone may try this for themselves, then they would not want me”, after which I spend time on issues which are including much more worth than me rewriting some sentences.  So, as a lot as you are able to do it, I used to be like, “Nicely, it is simply higher”.

I imply, I used to be making Helen chuckle, as a result of I needed to do it firstly and he or she would not let me, of the podcast.  I put our podcast intro into it and I used to be like, “How would you introduce Squiggly Careers podcast?”  I then put what we typically say and I put that into it.  I used to be like, “All of these items are higher than what we do!”  Reid Hoffman, one of many founders of LinkedIn has written a e book.  I believe he is written a e book utilizing ChatGPT; I believe that is what he used.  It is fairly exhausting to inform typically it isn’t written by an individual.  I do assume their copy expertise, while you’re writing easy, simple issues, do they write artistic copy?  I’ve bought to hope nonetheless that people can try this, however I do not know.  I used to be like, “Is that this going to assist us write our subsequent e book?”  Possibly.  It is higher than you assume.

I’d be naturally so anti that, I would again myself, I would be like, “Nicely, no, my writing will at all times be higher, they will not get our tone”.  The extra I’ve used it, the extra I am like, “Possibly it ought to write our subsequent e book, possibly we should always cease writing books as a result of the AI will simply do it for us”.  It is actually made me query life, this one has!  I used to be like, “I’ve bought so many questions”.

Helen Tupper: I imply, I assumed this was going to be a podcast about prime ideas for folks to check out tech —

Sarah Ellis: Oh proper, yeah, sorry!

Helen Tupper: — but it surely looks like we have began to query the universe and our function in it as human beings; it is gone fairly deep fairly fast!

Sarah Ellis: Nicely, while you begin to see it’s good, really good, I used to be like, “Oh, okay, effectively…” and likewise, it simply would not trouble me, as a result of I am not that bothered about with the ability to — if that may write a greater sentence, what I really like is best sentences.  So, if that is what will get to higher sentences, then nice.  However I nonetheless assume you most likely want the human enter, you have to know what you need to write first.  However for many enterprise writing, numerous enterprise writing is not actually artistic, we’re attempting to be brief and particular and concise, and that is one thing numerous folks battle with and this solves that downside.

Helen Tupper: It does make you assume, would not it about, “Nicely, how do you beat the bot?”  If the bot’s going to get higher and higher, and it may get higher at writing actually, actually rapidly, it would study your tone and will probably be ready to do that actually rapidly; so then, are you higher than the bot due to the questions you ask of the bot?  So, does with the ability to write actually good downside statements and give you actually good questions, is that the ability that you simply spend money on?

You can lose confidence fairly rapidly with a few of these issues and go, “Nicely, what is the level of me writing social media copy when the bot can simply do it for us?” however really I believe it is like, do not attempt to compete with tech that’s accelerating very quick, it is a dropping recreation, I believe it is a dropping recreation, however take into consideration, “What expertise develop into more and more related when that little bit of my ability’s been outsourced to a different instrument?”

I used a very comparable, simply in case folks need to strive a distinct one, I used GrammarlyGO, which has precisely what Sarah says.  You may put in a paragraph and it’ll write issues for you.  I bought it to jot down me a LinkedIn put up.  It wasn’t fairly my tone, but it surely had a number of the similar performance that Sarah stated, like shorten it, make it extra casual, all that form of stuff, which I fairly like seeing.  The factor with GrammarlyGO is, I imply I can see it on my display screen, it integrates.  These items, it’s kind of like Poised; it integrates into your programs, it is actually exhausting to do away with it.  So now, each time I sort on my Groups or on my emails, I simply see the Grammarly pop up on a regular basis and I am like, “No, go, actually go, Grammarly, however not the GrammarlyGO you are attempting to market to me; go, go away me alone!”

Sarah Ellis: “Go away!”

Helen Tupper: Yeah, “Go away, Grammarly!”  So, I do must do some deleting of some issues that I’ve downloaded for the sake of this podcast.

Sarah Ellis: Oh, yeah, me too.  I believe I’ve subscribed to about 4 million issues after which at one level I began to assume, “I must cease utilizing my electronic mail handle”, genuinely, I used to be like, “That is going to be actually annoying”.  So, yeah, what we do for our listeners!

Helen Tupper: Proper, we have a pair extra every, all people.  Actually fast one which I’d suggest attempting out in the event you discover you fairly like watching video content material, notably on YouTube; so, if one of many methods you study is by watching video content material, actually good instrument referred to as  I used to be actually impressed by this.  So, I took a video — we put all of our weekly PodPlus classes onto YouTube.  I took a hyperlink from YouTube of one among our PodPlus classes, I pasted it into VideoHighlight, and VideoHighlight immediately transcribed our 30-minute PodPlus session, not solely into the precise factor that Sarah had stated, as a result of it was Sarah presenting, but it surely summarised what Sarah had stated into headings and bullet factors.  I imply, you are fairly succinct and helpful anyway.

Sarah Ellis: Did it make me sound good?

Helen Tupper: Higher, even higher!

Sarah Ellis: Sensible!

Helen Tupper: It was bullet factors.  It was a headline after which, “Listed below are 5 coach-yourself questions”, and it summarised all of them.  Actually helpful.  My caveat on this, it did not work with TED.  So, TED will need to have some particular coding with the TED Talks that sit on YouTube that meant you could not do it with that.  However every other YouTube video, and it took, I imply, lower/paste press the button after which 10 seconds later, you’ve got bought a transcription.; effectively value a glance.

Sarah Ellis: And so, the ultimate AI use case that we’ll speak about at this time is for teaching, and in numerous methods I believe that is nearly the obvious place, as a result of we all know that we wish teaching to be extra accessible, extra inexpensive, and it is a good way for this to occur.  So, I used a instrument referred to as, and it is really not designed to be a profession coach, I do not assume, if I’ve understood it appropriately.  I believe it is designed extra to be like your good friend, or extra like an individual to only chat to.  However I assumed I’d ask it some profession questions simply to see what occurred, as a result of I used to be even pondering at this time really, once I went out to get a espresso, so usually once I’m being nosey and I overhear conversations, I hear folks speaking to one another about their jobs or about their careers, and sometimes I actually need to dive in and say, “Have you ever listed to episode … of the Squiggly Careers podcast; it may be helpful?”  Clearly I do not try this.

However I believe we do speak to our mates and our households about our jobs and our careers, and so though I believe there’s most likely a separate episode in teaching/tech and AI and the way it may be helpful and when it may not be, I really thought it may be useful to strive one thing barely totally different, quite than a extra apparent teaching AI.  And I used to be really shocked, I used to be actually impressed with the standard of the questions that the AI can ask you.

So, I used an instance of claiming, and it’s an instance, Helen, I promise, “Feeling a bit caught in my profession, feeling demotivated, I believe I need to do one thing totally different”.  So, that was my stimulus, my place to begin.  And yeah, it was asking me actually good, open questions, excellent coaching-style questions.  It was empathetic in model, I felt prefer it actually understood me.  I believe I may undoubtedly make mates with a robotic, I am so needy.  And it additionally made some fairly respectable solutions.

So, the kind of issues it began to immediate, I do not really feel it was patronising or telling me what to do, but it surely was saying, “If that is one thing you actually take pleasure in”, I believe I put “creativity”, you realize, “may you carve out a bit extra time in your day job for that, or really does that really feel too troublesome to do?”  So, I felt prefer it was like an empathetic good friend would, listening to what I stated, providing me some choices, after which letting me discover and seeing the place I went from there.

I believe the issues that did not work for me is I nonetheless did not really feel that it was an alternative to a profession dialog, however what it’s is instant and obtainable.  So, in the event you simply needed to have a play with it and you have a direct profession query, “How do I ask for a pay rise?  I am having a very troublesome relationship with my supervisor”, you might get some preliminary ideas or questions that I believe could be fairly a superb place to begin for teaching your self.  So, nearly you may use it to do a little bit of pondering to immediate some pondering, you realize, does it provide you with any solutions or stuff you’ve not considered for your self, so it furthers your individual pondering; after which, I believe you might take that into an much more significant profession dialog.

So, I can begin to see how AI may make profession conversations even higher.  They make it easier to to do extra of the exhausting work for your self, and we all know that is vital, as a result of then you definitely really feel extra possession on your solutions and on your actions.  The largest downside I had with it was that the tone was method too enthusiastic for me.  There’s loads of exclamation marks and, “Superior!”  I do not know why I really feel it feels like that, however that is what I felt prefer it gave the impression of.  So, after a bit, it bought a bit grating and I kind of went, “This isn’t fairly for me in its present type”.

However it’s also very clear, which I appreciated.  On the backside of the web page it says, “That is nonetheless very a lot being examined, it makes errors, do not essentially depend on this for recommendation”.  And so, in the event you have been pondering, “Nicely, is that this telling me that is the suitable reply?” I assumed it was very clear that it was like, “Oh, no, it is making some solutions”.  It is providing you with some choices; it isn’t attempting to let you know what to do, which I do assume is a very good factor.  So, like loads of our different instruments, I may actually see potential, even when it isn’t fairly there but.

Helen Tupper: So, hopefully you’ve got discovered {that a} useful pay attention, all people.  We all know we have gone by way of a great deal of totally different instruments, so they’re all summarised within the PodSheet, which you will get on  If there are different instruments that you’ve tried out that you simply assume we should always find out about, please electronic mail us,  And after we put up this on social media, which can be on @amazingif on Instagram, and on our LinkedIn web page there, please remark, share, in order that different folks can have a play with these items.  Our perspective is simply the extra we play, the extra comfy we get, and the extra we additionally see how these may also help us and the way we would want to assist ourselves with our very human expertise too.

So, thanks a lot for listening, all people, and we’ll be again once more subsequent week.  Bye everybody.

Sarah Ellis: Bye for now.

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